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> <channel><title>Comments on: The Ferrari vs. The Yugo, Part Two</title> <atom:link href="http://www.NRVLiving.com/2009/06/24/ferrari-versus-yugo-part2/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.NRVLiving.com/2009/06/24/ferrari-versus-yugo-part2/</link> <description>Real Estate in Blacksburg, Christiansburg, and Radford - I&#039;m sometimes on topic, occasionally irreverent, always Real.</description> <lastBuildDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 19:58:24 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <item><title>By: Jeremy</title><link>http://www.NRVLiving.com/2009/06/24/ferrari-versus-yugo-part2/comment-page-1/#comment-725</link> <dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 00:47:03 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nrvliving.com/?p=1364#comment-725</guid> <description>I can just see Shirley, typing furiously away in her Yugo office ... :)That&#039;s a good point Shirley - market statistics.  We don&#039;t have them.  I have to cobble them together from here and there, and find ways to piece them together into a logical format.  That&#039;s not appropriate.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can just see Shirley, typing furiously away in her Yugo office &#8230; <img
src='http://www.NRVLiving.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p><p>That&#8217;s a good point Shirley &#8211; market statistics.  We don&#8217;t have them.  I have to cobble them together from here and there, and find ways to piece them together into a logical format.  That&#8217;s not appropriate.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jeremy</title><link>http://www.NRVLiving.com/2009/06/24/ferrari-versus-yugo-part2/comment-page-1/#comment-1848</link> <dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 00:47:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nrvliving.com/?p=1364#comment-1848</guid> <description>I can just see Shirley, typing furiously away in her Yugo office ... :)That&#039;s a good point Shirley - market statistics.  We don&#039;t have them.  I have to cobble them together from here and there, and find ways to piece them together into a logical format.  That&#039;s not appropriate.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can just see Shirley, typing furiously away in her Yugo office &#8230; <img
src='http://www.NRVLiving.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p><p>That&#8217;s a good point Shirley &#8211; market statistics.  We don&#8217;t have them.  I have to cobble them together from here and there, and find ways to piece them together into a logical format.  That&#8217;s not appropriate.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Shirley</title><link>http://www.NRVLiving.com/2009/06/24/ferrari-versus-yugo-part2/comment-page-1/#comment-724</link> <dc:creator>Shirley</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 23:35:14 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nrvliving.com/?p=1364#comment-724</guid> <description>I personally feel that if people are going to cheat the system, it does not matter WHICH system is in place.  I would be interested in knowing how other boards deal with this issue - specifically Roanoke since they are close geographically.  I doubt that they would punish the entire membership if a few are taking advantage.  I doubt that they would not give FBS (or whichever system) a chance to repsond to the problem. There has to be a better solution than dumping a great system to punish a few.  If I had known this was the problem, I would personally have gone out and slapped these cheater&#039;s hands - - or shut the cheating office down from the MLS!  I (and many others) think this whole security issue is not the *real* issue but a smoke screen that has nothing to do with the capabilities of the MLS systems or the members needs.   Meanwhile, back at the agents&#039; office in the Yugo, we are stuck paying for this mistake monitarily, and  left with a lack of professional image and less productivity. I miss my market statistics. I miss my great professionally designed brochures and fliers - both print and emails from FLEX. I miss my hotsheet (with thumbnail photos)  with data fields customized to my own and my client&#039;s needs. I miss the ease of searches.  I miss the great support that did not just say - &#039;case closed&#039; with no solution. I miss the email confirmations of a client opening an email and an email to me of expiring listings. I liked the email showing the change in a listing. I miss my one-line printout of my own 38 listings - - with photo, lot number, sf and whatever I needed. I miss FLEX.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I personally feel that if people are going to cheat the system, it does not matter WHICH system is in place.  I would be interested in knowing how other boards deal with this issue &#8211; specifically Roanoke since they are close geographically.  I doubt that they would punish the entire membership if a few are taking advantage.  I doubt that they would not give FBS (or whichever system) a chance to repsond to the problem. There has to be a better solution than dumping a great system to punish a few.  If I had known this was the problem, I would personally have gone out and slapped these cheater&#8217;s hands &#8211; - or shut the cheating office down from the MLS!  I (and many others) think this whole security issue is not the *real* issue but a smoke screen that has nothing to do with the capabilities of the MLS systems or the members needs.   Meanwhile, back at the agents&#8217; office in the Yugo, we are stuck paying for this mistake monitarily, and  left with a lack of professional image and less productivity. I miss my market statistics. I miss my great professionally designed brochures and fliers &#8211; both print and emails from FLEX. I miss my hotsheet (with thumbnail photos)  with data fields customized to my own and my client&#8217;s needs. I miss the ease of searches.  I miss the great support that did not just say &#8211; &#8216;case closed&#8217; with no solution. I miss the email confirmations of a client opening an email and an email to me of expiring listings. I liked the email showing the change in a listing. I miss my one-line printout of my own 38 listings &#8211; - with photo, lot number, sf and whatever I needed. I miss FLEX.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Shirley</title><link>http://www.NRVLiving.com/2009/06/24/ferrari-versus-yugo-part2/comment-page-1/#comment-1847</link> <dc:creator>Shirley</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 23:35:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nrvliving.com/?p=1364#comment-1847</guid> <description>I personally feel that if people are going to cheat the system, it does not matter WHICH system is in place.  I would be interested in knowing how other boards deal with this issue - specifically Roanoke since they are close geographically.  I doubt that they would punish the entire membership if a few are taking advantage.  I doubt that they would not give FBS (or whichever system) a chance to repsond to the problem. There has to be a better solution than dumping a great system to punish a few.  If I had known this was the problem, I would personally have gone out and slapped these cheater&#039;s hands - - or shut the cheating office down from the MLS!  I (and many others) think this whole security issue is not the *real* issue but a smoke screen that has nothing to do with the capabilities of the MLS systems or the members needs.   Meanwhile, back at the agents&#039; office in the Yugo, we are stuck paying for this mistake monitarily, and  left with a lack of professional image and less productivity. I miss my market statistics. I miss my great professionally designed brochures and fliers - both print and emails from FLEX. I miss my hotsheet (with thumbnail photos)  with data fields customized to my own and my client&#039;s needs. I miss the ease of searches.  I miss the great support that did not just say - &#039;case closed&#039; with no solution. I miss the email confirmations of a client opening an email and an email to me of expiring listings. I liked the email showing the change in a listing. I miss my one-line printout of my own 38 listings - - with photo, lot number, sf and whatever I needed. I miss FLEX.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I personally feel that if people are going to cheat the system, it does not matter WHICH system is in place.  I would be interested in knowing how other boards deal with this issue &#8211; specifically Roanoke since they are close geographically.  I doubt that they would punish the entire membership if a few are taking advantage.  I doubt that they would not give FBS (or whichever system) a chance to repsond to the problem. There has to be a better solution than dumping a great system to punish a few.  If I had known this was the problem, I would personally have gone out and slapped these cheater&#8217;s hands &#8211; - or shut the cheating office down from the MLS!  I (and many others) think this whole security issue is not the *real* issue but a smoke screen that has nothing to do with the capabilities of the MLS systems or the members needs.   Meanwhile, back at the agents&#8217; office in the Yugo, we are stuck paying for this mistake monitarily, and  left with a lack of professional image and less productivity. I miss my market statistics. I miss my great professionally designed brochures and fliers &#8211; both print and emails from FLEX. I miss my hotsheet (with thumbnail photos)  with data fields customized to my own and my client&#8217;s needs. I miss the ease of searches.  I miss the great support that did not just say &#8211; &#8216;case closed&#8217; with no solution. I miss the email confirmations of a client opening an email and an email to me of expiring listings. I liked the email showing the change in a listing. I miss my one-line printout of my own 38 listings &#8211; - with photo, lot number, sf and whatever I needed. I miss FLEX.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Troy Rech</title><link>http://www.NRVLiving.com/2009/06/24/ferrari-versus-yugo-part2/comment-page-1/#comment-723</link> <dc:creator>Troy Rech</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 22:45:16 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nrvliving.com/?p=1364#comment-723</guid> <description>Surprising statement about the underestimation of Mac users as it IS a university town, after all.The timeout issue also puzzling as I don&#039;t fathom any good reason why you would timed out any different from a PC user except to create an incentive to move to a PC.  Weird answer from Rap&#039;s support staff.My point on Rap&#039;s choice of security solutions is simple: it works fairly well in environments where people would NOT give out IDs and passwords (banking).  Your situation is opposite where people are, unfortunately, giving out IDs and passwords.  Different problem, different solution required.Have a great weekend and I hope things do get better (although hope is not a very good strategy).</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surprising statement about the underestimation of Mac users as it IS a university town, after all.</p><p>The timeout issue also puzzling as I don&#8217;t fathom any good reason why you would timed out any different from a PC user except to create an incentive to move to a PC.  Weird answer from Rap&#8217;s support staff.</p><p>My point on Rap&#8217;s choice of security solutions is simple: it works fairly well in environments where people would NOT give out IDs and passwords (banking).  Your situation is opposite where people are, unfortunately, giving out IDs and passwords.  Different problem, different solution required.</p><p>Have a great weekend and I hope things do get better (although hope is not a very good strategy).</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Troy Rech</title><link>http://www.NRVLiving.com/2009/06/24/ferrari-versus-yugo-part2/comment-page-1/#comment-1846</link> <dc:creator>Troy Rech</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 22:45:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nrvliving.com/?p=1364#comment-1846</guid> <description>Surprising statement about the underestimation of Mac users as it IS a university town, after all.The timeout issue also puzzling as I don&#039;t fathom any good reason why you would timed out any different from a PC user except to create an incentive to move to a PC.  Weird answer from Rap&#039;s support staff.My point on Rap&#039;s choice of security solutions is simple: it works fairly well in environments where people would NOT give out IDs and passwords (banking).  Your situation is opposite where people are, unfortunately, giving out IDs and passwords.  Different problem, different solution required.Have a great weekend and I hope things do get better (although hope is not a very good strategy).</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surprising statement about the underestimation of Mac users as it IS a university town, after all.</p><p>The timeout issue also puzzling as I don&#8217;t fathom any good reason why you would timed out any different from a PC user except to create an incentive to move to a PC.  Weird answer from Rap&#8217;s support staff.</p><p>My point on Rap&#8217;s choice of security solutions is simple: it works fairly well in environments where people would NOT give out IDs and passwords (banking).  Your situation is opposite where people are, unfortunately, giving out IDs and passwords.  Different problem, different solution required.</p><p>Have a great weekend and I hope things do get better (although hope is not a very good strategy).</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jeremy Hart</title><link>http://www.NRVLiving.com/2009/06/24/ferrari-versus-yugo-part2/comment-page-1/#comment-722</link> <dc:creator>Jeremy Hart</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 21:54:57 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nrvliving.com/?p=1364#comment-722</guid> <description>Thanks, Tony, for the clarification.  What you&#039;re saying is that a financial institution is operating on the belief that you wouldn&#039;t give me the login information to something so important as &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;my bank accounts&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt; and so they don&#039;t need to enforce any stricter security controls.  I found the statement regarding security curious, because I log in to Rapattoni in the exact same way as I did with flexMLS - even the login ID is very similar.Yes, Rapattoni can reconfigure the application timeouts.  It&#039;s - I believe - two hours with PC users, but because they underestimated the number of Mac users in the New River Valley (was told this by a member of their support staff) they&#039;ve restricted it to somewhere between 10-12 minutes.  Some users have found 10, personally I&#039;ve found 12.  Nevertheless, it&#039;s too short.The saga continues.  Can I interest anyone in a Yugo?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Tony, for the clarification.  What you&#8217;re saying is that a financial institution is operating on the belief that you wouldn&#8217;t give me the login information to something so important as <b><i>my bank accounts</i></b> and so they don&#8217;t need to enforce any stricter security controls.  I found the statement regarding security curious, because I log in to Rapattoni in the exact same way as I did with flexMLS &#8211; even the login ID is very similar.</p><p>Yes, Rapattoni can reconfigure the application timeouts.  It&#8217;s &#8211; I believe &#8211; two hours with PC users, but because they underestimated the number of Mac users in the New River Valley (was told this by a member of their support staff) they&#8217;ve restricted it to somewhere between 10-12 minutes.  Some users have found 10, personally I&#8217;ve found 12.  Nevertheless, it&#8217;s too short.</p><p>The saga continues.  Can I interest anyone in a Yugo?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jeremy Hart</title><link>http://www.NRVLiving.com/2009/06/24/ferrari-versus-yugo-part2/comment-page-1/#comment-1845</link> <dc:creator>Jeremy Hart</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 21:54:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nrvliving.com/?p=1364#comment-1845</guid> <description>Thanks, Tony, for the clarification.  What you&#039;re saying is that a financial institution is operating on the belief that you wouldn&#039;t give me the login information to something so important as &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;my bank accounts&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; and so they don&#039;t need to enforce any stricter security controls.  I found the statement regarding security curious, because I log in to Rapattoni in the exact same way as I did with flexMLS - even the login ID is very similar.Yes, Rapattoni can reconfigure the application timeouts.  It&#039;s - I believe - two hours with PC users, but because they underestimated the number of Mac users in the New River Valley (was told this by a member of their support staff) they&#039;ve restricted it to somewhere between 10-12 minutes.  Some users have found 10, personally I&#039;ve found 12.  Nevertheless, it&#039;s too short.The saga continues.  Can I interest anyone in a Yugo?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Tony, for the clarification.  What you&#8217;re saying is that a financial institution is operating on the belief that you wouldn&#8217;t give me the login information to something so important as <b><i>my bank accounts</i></b> and so they don&#8217;t need to enforce any stricter security controls.  I found the statement regarding security curious, because I log in to Rapattoni in the exact same way as I did with flexMLS &#8211; even the login ID is very similar.</p><p>Yes, Rapattoni can reconfigure the application timeouts.  It&#8217;s &#8211; I believe &#8211; two hours with PC users, but because they underestimated the number of Mac users in the New River Valley (was told this by a member of their support staff) they&#8217;ve restricted it to somewhere between 10-12 minutes.  Some users have found 10, personally I&#8217;ve found 12.  Nevertheless, it&#8217;s too short.</p><p>The saga continues.  Can I interest anyone in a Yugo?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Troy Rech</title><link>http://www.NRVLiving.com/2009/06/24/ferrari-versus-yugo-part2/comment-page-1/#comment-718</link> <dc:creator>Troy Rech</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 19:35:24 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nrvliving.com/?p=1364#comment-718</guid> <description>Jeremy,Not unsecure as it offers a degree of security stronger than relying on IDs and passwords only as well as heightens awareness of security for the entire user population.  But... and this a big one...  Rapattoni&#039;s claim of strong authentication simply falls flat when you match up the security requirements against their application of the RSA adaptive authentication.  The claim made by them is it is used by financial institutions which is true.  Here comes another .but....  the financial institution is trying to protect against fraud from stolen credentials without an expectation of the end user actively sharing the login credentials with another person.In NRV situation as in many other subscription-based online service models, the issue is the active (and potentially passive) sharing of login credentials.  MLS participants sharing access to the MLS system for one reason or another (all bad reasons, btw).My point was aimed more at the unfortunate misapplication of a security solution rather than a shot at the security solution itself.  &quot;can&#039;t blame MasterLock if someone hangs one of their locks on the handle of the Yugo and expects the Yugo to be theft-proof.&quot;From an application timeout standpoint, 12 minutes does sound like a very short time and should be something immediately addressed by your MLS committee.  As a balance between convenience and security, we suggest a 30 min inactivity timeout as a reasonable compromise for most MLS customers.  I believe, but don&#039;t quote me, the Rapattoni MLS system is configurable for application timeouts.Again - full disclosure - Clareity Security provides the industry standard for Real Estate information security with many successful integrations including protecting customers using the FBS&#039; flexMLS system.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremy,</p><p>Not unsecure as it offers a degree of security stronger than relying on IDs and passwords only as well as heightens awareness of security for the entire user population.  But&#8230; and this a big one&#8230;  Rapattoni&#8217;s claim of strong authentication simply falls flat when you match up the security requirements against their application of the RSA adaptive authentication.  The claim made by them is it is used by financial institutions which is true.  Here comes another .but&#8230;.  the financial institution is trying to protect against fraud from stolen credentials without an expectation of the end user actively sharing the login credentials with another person.</p><p>In NRV situation as in many other subscription-based online service models, the issue is the active (and potentially passive) sharing of login credentials.  MLS participants sharing access to the MLS system for one reason or another (all bad reasons, btw).</p><p>My point was aimed more at the unfortunate misapplication of a security solution rather than a shot at the security solution itself.  &#8220;can&#8217;t blame MasterLock if someone hangs one of their locks on the handle of the Yugo and expects the Yugo to be theft-proof.&#8221;</p><p>From an application timeout standpoint, 12 minutes does sound like a very short time and should be something immediately addressed by your MLS committee.  As a balance between convenience and security, we suggest a 30 min inactivity timeout as a reasonable compromise for most MLS customers.  I believe, but don&#8217;t quote me, the Rapattoni MLS system is configurable for application timeouts.</p><p>Again &#8211; full disclosure &#8211; Clareity Security provides the industry standard for Real Estate information security with many successful integrations including protecting customers using the FBS&#8217; flexMLS system.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Troy Rech</title><link>http://www.NRVLiving.com/2009/06/24/ferrari-versus-yugo-part2/comment-page-1/#comment-1844</link> <dc:creator>Troy Rech</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 19:35:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nrvliving.com/?p=1364#comment-1844</guid> <description>Jeremy,Not unsecure as it offers a degree of security stronger than relying on IDs and passwords only as well as heightens awareness of security for the entire user population.  But... and this a big one...  Rapattoni&#039;s claim of strong authentication simply falls flat when you match up the security requirements against their application of the RSA adaptive authentication.  The claim made by them is it is used by financial institutions which is true.  Here comes another .but....  the financial institution is trying to protect against fraud from stolen credentials without an expectation of the end user actively sharing the login credentials with another person.In NRV situation as in many other subscription-based online service models, the issue is the active (and potentially passive) sharing of login credentials.  MLS participants sharing access to the MLS system for one reason or another (all bad reasons, btw).My point was aimed more at the unfortunate misapplication of a security solution rather than a shot at the security solution itself.  &quot;can&#039;t blame MasterLock if someone hangs one of their locks on the handle of the Yugo and expects the Yugo to be theft-proof.&quot;From an application timeout standpoint, 12 minutes does sound like a very short time and should be something immediately addressed by your MLS committee.  As a balance between convenience and security, we suggest a 30 min inactivity timeout as a reasonable compromise for most MLS customers.  I believe, but don&#039;t quote me, the Rapattoni MLS system is configurable for application timeouts.Again - full disclosure - Clareity Security provides the industry standard for Real Estate information security with many successful integrations including protecting customers using the FBS&#039; flexMLS system.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremy,</p><p>Not unsecure as it offers a degree of security stronger than relying on IDs and passwords only as well as heightens awareness of security for the entire user population.  But&#8230; and this a big one&#8230;  Rapattoni&#8217;s claim of strong authentication simply falls flat when you match up the security requirements against their application of the RSA adaptive authentication.  The claim made by them is it is used by financial institutions which is true.  Here comes another .but&#8230;.  the financial institution is trying to protect against fraud from stolen credentials without an expectation of the end user actively sharing the login credentials with another person.</p><p>In NRV situation as in many other subscription-based online service models, the issue is the active (and potentially passive) sharing of login credentials.  MLS participants sharing access to the MLS system for one reason or another (all bad reasons, btw).</p><p>My point was aimed more at the unfortunate misapplication of a security solution rather than a shot at the security solution itself.  &#8220;can&#8217;t blame MasterLock if someone hangs one of their locks on the handle of the Yugo and expects the Yugo to be theft-proof.&#8221;</p><p>From an application timeout standpoint, 12 minutes does sound like a very short time and should be something immediately addressed by your MLS committee.  As a balance between convenience and security, we suggest a 30 min inactivity timeout as a reasonable compromise for most MLS customers.  I believe, but don&#8217;t quote me, the Rapattoni MLS system is configurable for application timeouts.</p><p>Again &#8211; full disclosure &#8211; Clareity Security provides the industry standard for Real Estate information security with many successful integrations including protecting customers using the FBS&#8217; flexMLS system.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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